Comments on: 2013 in review: England

By: Ray

Ray — Mon, 23 Dec 2013 07:11:58 +0000

It only matters to the Welsh Brighty, that’s really the point I’m making.

Meanwhile wishing you a great Christmas and a healthy and prosperous new year

By: brighty

brighty — Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:30:23 +0000

Ray, what I meant was that for that match I don’t see that it matters who England were playing. It’s the biggest a dissapointment because of the margin of the loss and the fact it as a slam and title loss? Add in the style if the loss it’s easily England’s worst defeat in 12 months?

By: Ray

Ray — Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:00:59 +0000

I was merely commenting on the fact that Welsh and English attitudes to anglo-welsh games are very different and maybe coloured your response. I’ve lived and worked in both countries and the difference is undeniable surely you’d agree with that. I am not saying that wales can’t get up for SH games BUT there must be some reason for the poor record, there is no obvious reason so to dismiss the possibility out of hand is a little shortsighted. Surely you can see that a loss to say Italy or Scotland would have been far more dissappointing.

By: brighty

brighty — Sat, 21 Dec 2013 15:07:17 +0000

Couldn’t disagree more Ray. This is nothing to do with Wales and it doesn’t make sense either to turn it yet again into a “Wales can only get up against England” thing, which is not true. England were going for the grand slam and instead got shamed. That’s got to be a massive dissapointment. To say it’s not really just because it was only Wales doesn’t make sense. It was the six nations title. If it doesn’t matter then maybe England shouldn’t bother taking part.

By: Ray

Ray — Sat, 21 Dec 2013 14:13:48 +0000

Likes

By: Ray

Ray — Sat, 21 Dec 2013 14:07:45 +0000

…….’I am amazed the MS 30-3 wasn’t the biggest disappointment’

That’s a very Welsh view Brighty. Wales happen to have a pretty good team at the moment so losing to them is only as dissappointing as a loss to any other team. Wales tend to suffer from their obsession with beating England. To most English fans, let alone the wider population, games against France or any of the 3 SH sides are more important. It always comes as a shock to Welsh supporters that we dont roll over in anguish if we lose to Wales occasionally.

Maybe this is why Wales find it so difficult to raise themselves against SH opposition. Given a choice most English supporters would take the 2012 win against the ABs over the loss to Wales any day.

By: Pablito

Pablito — Fri, 20 Dec 2013 17:48:31 +0000

I’ll take that

By: Pablito

Pablito — Fri, 20 Dec 2013 17:47:35 +0000

People moan because England

A. Over-use it
B. Don’t utilise it correctly

Care seems perfectly able to control a Quins game, he just seems to go into headless chicken mode in an England shirt

By: brighty

brighty — Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:44:18 +0000

Ok, in that case you’re allowed to have Corbisiero’s knees as your greatest dissapointment of 2013.

By: Lee bloodandmud.com

Lee bloodandmud.com — Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:42:52 +0000

Brighty,

I perhaps should’ve added, “to the required international standard”

By: Jacob

Jacob — Fri, 20 Dec 2013 13:18:37 +0000

Care will get near an England shirt when he learns two skills:
– decision making under pressure
– box kicking

Everyone knows he can make breaks but that is nowhere near enough at international level. I wouldn’t mind seeing him on the bench, as he can make great impact. But, I wouldn’t want him to be starting a big international match, I doubt his ability to control a game.

On crabbing from 9, it’s actually an important skill when utilized correctly. If a 9 just passes the ball straight away, offering absolutely no threat to the fringes then you are making the oppositions back rows job very easy. I never really understand why people moan about it – as long as it is utilized correctly.

By: Pablito

Pablito — Fri, 20 Dec 2013 11:45:22 +0000

We don’t talk about that game. We are trying to erase it from our memory