Comments on: 6 things we learned from the weekend’s rugby http://www.therugbyblog.com/6-things-we-learned-from-the-weekends-rugby-march-15 Rugby Union opinion and discussion, for the fans, by the fans. Mon, 01 Aug 2016 20:58:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.1 By: Gerry Hillhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/6-things-we-learned-from-the-weekends-rugby-march-15#comment-387087 Wed, 16 Mar 2016 17:33:59 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=41390#comment-387087 Nobody has stated the obvious:

1) Which group of players has the fortitude to not be cowed by the challenge of an away trip to NZ?
2) Who is the coach?
3) What type of rugby will we play to score more tries than the all blacks?
4) How many dickheads can we tolerate?

I also think that so much will happen between now and then that speculation should start at the coaching team, then imagine how they will think about selection.

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By: Jacobhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/6-things-we-learned-from-the-weekends-rugby-march-15#comment-387085 Wed, 16 Mar 2016 17:11:44 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=41390#comment-387085 That’s fair enough! I expect the team to be fairly similar if Gatland goes again to be honest.

On Biggar, I honestly can’t recall a time when I saw him breaking the line (or even taking it to the line) or pulling strings amongst a back line. I’ve even seem him struggle time and again to do it at club level for the Ospreys (who admittedly don’t have the best back line outside him).

His kick and chase to himself are brilliant though! Unfortunately, that for me is a bit like picking a hooker that can’t throw or scrummage because he nice hands. Must be able to do the basics first, which for a 10, has to be getting the back line flowing.

Completely understand your personal dislike of Farrell, can’t help but think he is a bit of a nob; but I think it makes him the player he is.

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By: brightyhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/6-things-we-learned-from-the-weekends-rugby-march-15#comment-387083 Wed, 16 Mar 2016 16:55:19 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=41390#comment-387083 Oh, and “Haha so your selection was more, I’m picking the Welsh team and only players that have really stood out can get the shirt off them. A lot like Gatland then ;)”

I only wish that at the mo that was how Gats worked….

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By: brightyhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/6-things-we-learned-from-the-weekends-rugby-march-15#comment-387082 Wed, 16 Mar 2016 16:54:45 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=41390#comment-387082 “Haha so your selection was more, I’m picking the Welsh team and only players that have really stood out can get the shirt off them. A lot like Gatland then ;)”

Yes :-) I have terrible trouble with remembering names so I end up forgetting things like who plays 3 for England so yep, only the ones who regularly standout manage to make it into my head. I think it was still fairly ok – there were a lot of non-Welsh players in there, some natural bias and fondly remembered delight from these players playing well (I’m a fan, not a coach/pro-critic).

I think when Biggar is on form he is much better than your appraisal – his defence, his breaks (he does make them), his kick and chase (especially that, he is a master at this forward pass) and has been known to get Wales fizzing. It was he who played in a lot of our big wins in the last couple of years. He just isn’t doing it right now. I know you’re a long term member of the unconvinced about him.

Farrel is an amazing kicker – what I meant was that he’s not a better 10, for me, than Sexton/Biggar/Thingy-from-Scotland… And then there’s the whole objectionable player thing which, as I’m not a coach, I don’t have to look past….

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By: Jacobhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/6-things-we-learned-from-the-weekends-rugby-march-15#comment-387081 Wed, 16 Mar 2016 16:46:49 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=41390#comment-387081 I wouldn’t have Farrell at 12 when Henshaw is an option, not a chance. But I still can’t work out why you think he isn’t a 90% goal kicker? I can’t see what you think Biggar would bring to the table that Farrell doesn’t do better, plus Farrell has actually started taking the ball to the line. Biggar for me is at best a club 10, certainly not a test 10 – so I think it’d be awful for the Lions if he ended up getting in there.

I’d be perfectly happy with Sexton playing over Farrell but for me it’s only between those two. The more I think about Russell the more i realise I have no idea what his kicking is like since Laidlaw takes that role for Scotland.

Haha so your selection was more, I’m picking the Welsh team and only players that have really stood out can get the shirt off them. A lot like Gatland then ;)

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By: Jacobhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/6-things-we-learned-from-the-weekends-rugby-march-15#comment-387080 Wed, 16 Mar 2016 16:41:50 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=41390#comment-387080 He’d certainly be a better player if he offloaded the ball more, but I don’t necessarily think it’s a massive issue to be honest. It’s about combinations, if you have a JJ/Daly outside him and a 10 than can draw a man and pass inside him then he’d be even more effective.

That being said, Henshaw gets in ahead of him for me, so I wouldn’t be starting Roberts in a test 15.

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By: brightyhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/6-things-we-learned-from-the-weekends-rugby-march-15#comment-387077 Wed, 16 Mar 2016 16:10:36 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=41390#comment-387077 Farrel isn’t in my team though – he’s not getting in at 12 ahead of Roberts and not at 10 ahead of Sexton/Biggar/Russell for me. It’s going to be interesting – I genuinely think there are better rugby players than him but he’s obviously going to be in the squad and I can’t think of a more objectionable rugby player so that no doubt makes me edge towards others in tight calls, It’ll be interesting if it comes down to cheering him on.

No problem with Nel at all – he is fantastic, think Lee edges it. As a front row the Welsh were excellent against the big packs in the tournament – Eng and Fra. Hartley still has a tendency to not actually hook but to rely on the scrum to walk forward over the ball. He is though a better thrower than Baldwin so it’s not clear cut for me.

In terms of units I was more harking back to my comment about thinking of selection that way, putting the welsh boys in my head where I can’t think of utter standouts, then playing mental games of “who’s better in Uk/Ire then these”. It’s a naturally biased approach obviously as my incumbents in lower quality positions will be Welsh.

I think Murray has been cold this season – not the nippy and dynamic of old, more reliance on his aggression and chuntering now than his wits and distribution.

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By: Jezhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/6-things-we-learned-from-the-weekends-rugby-march-15#comment-387075 Wed, 16 Mar 2016 16:07:00 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=41390#comment-387075 I’m sorry but I simply cannot agree on Roberts. Or as a Welsh fan of my acquaintence called him Dr 2 Steps. His gain breaks are marginal and a good 7 will always stop him (imagine what a brilliant 7 would do to him!). His effectiveness is 5 years out of date.
If you could trust him with an off load play him at 13 (I’ve always felt the crash, tackle buster should be wider out ) but would you pick him ahead of Davies, JJ, Tuilagi, Payne, Henshaw, Taylor ???

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By: Jacobhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/6-things-we-learned-from-the-weekends-rugby-march-15#comment-387072 Wed, 16 Mar 2016 16:00:06 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=41390#comment-387072 Ok Webb makes sense at least, but I’d still pick Murray.

You don’t think Farrell is a 90% goal kicker? Not really convinced by that at all. Farrell, despite not playing 10 this 6 nations, has been a consistent kicker, kicker well out of hand and has also (to everyone’s surprise) managed to carry his passing/running game from Saracens into the test arena. I can’t really see past picking him there right now.

I really don’t like the idea of picking units to be honest – especially in the front row. The only units I’d be tempted to lean towards would be between hooker and jumper, and maybe half backs. But even then, I think top players, if the style and balance is right, should click quickly enough.

We’ll have to agree to disagree on the form of Evans and Baldwin – I’ve seen neither play in a way that suggests Lions form, and Hartley was immense against Wales. Best set piece hooker by a mile. As I mentioned, can’t see what’s not to like about Dickinson this 6 nations, and Nel for that matter.

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By: Jacobhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/6-things-we-learned-from-the-weekends-rugby-march-15#comment-387070 Wed, 16 Mar 2016 15:53:40 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=41390#comment-387070 I’d disagree with that. Roberts is a 12, and can fulfill the role as defensive leader and gainline breaker incredibly successfully. I also think he has better hands than Gatland ever lets him show.

Biggar is a fly half; not a large ball carrying center and therefore has absolutely no excuse not to be able to pass a ball of pick a gap.

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By: Jezhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/6-things-we-learned-from-the-weekends-rugby-march-15#comment-387069 Wed, 16 Mar 2016 15:45:14 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=41390#comment-387069 In fact I’d add Roberts to the list of overrated players.
There is no coincidence that Wales looked their most threatening on Saturday once England tired, were down to 14 men, Priestland came on who then bypassed Roberts and got the ball to North quicker (actually got the ball to North!)

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By: Santiagohttp://www.therugbyblog.com/6-things-we-learned-from-the-weekends-rugby-march-15#comment-387068 Wed, 16 Mar 2016 15:43:58 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=41390#comment-387068 Stevens was picked for musical ability…a key component for any tour

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