Comments on: Does ‘shirt ownership’ still matter to England? https://therugbyblog.com/does-shirt-ownership-still-matter-to-england Rugby Union opinion and discussion, for the fans, by the fans. Wed, 10 Aug 2016 09:42:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.1 By: Benjithttps://therugbyblog.com/does-shirt-ownership-still-matter-to-england#comment-379379 Wed, 02 Sep 2015 10:48:54 +0000 https://therugbyblog.com/?p=38826#comment-379379 “Luther Burrell ‘had the shirt’. In England’s Six Nations campaign he played 387 minutes out of a possible 400″

And was anonymous to awful, missing a third of his tackles. If anything SL was too loyal, when perhaps blooding Slade even if from the bench (instead of 12t) might have been a better idea.

Burgess is a wild card pick. Why not? 12t and Burrell had plenty if chances, SL should have binned them after the 6n and given SB and HS all 3 warm ups IMO.

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By: Jacobhttps://therugbyblog.com/does-shirt-ownership-still-matter-to-england#comment-379377 Wed, 02 Sep 2015 10:24:34 +0000 https://therugbyblog.com/?p=38826#comment-379377 Completely agree. The difference between “owning” and shirt and “wearing” a shirt can been seen by Ford and Burrell.

Unfortunately for England, I think you’re right. No one under SL (or probably since Catt/Greenwood era), has even “owned” the 12 shirt.

SL has shown that in picking Burgess. He has the skills to become a properly internationally class 12 in the future, so he is risking it on him now. Barritt is the extremely reliable stop gap.

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By: Lionohttps://therugbyblog.com/does-shirt-ownership-still-matter-to-england#comment-379376 Wed, 02 Sep 2015 10:14:01 +0000 https://therugbyblog.com/?p=38826#comment-379376 Agreed Jacob, there is to me a difference between “owning” the shirt as in doing so well that you would take it straight back after missing a couple through injury as opposed to merely “wearing” the shirt because you are relatively better than the other available options.

I have no idea whether SL has used any of the above rhetoric with respect to any one of Barritt, Burrell or Burgess, but it does raise the question that whether any of them has ever really “owned” the shirt in that particular way?

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By: Blubhttps://therugbyblog.com/does-shirt-ownership-still-matter-to-england#comment-379375 Wed, 02 Sep 2015 10:10:10 +0000 https://therugbyblog.com/?p=38826#comment-379375 Surely “Owning the shirt” is not a literal “right” but rather a term that reflects the form of any player.

If one gets the opportunity to wear the shirt, and performs well then he “owns” it in the sense that he is proved to be the best in that position.

Just to put Englands selections in some perspective, the names of Trinh-Duc, Dusutoir, Horwill, White, Jayne, Dagg, Trimble, McFadden, Hibbard, Anscombe, Phillips, Jones, Cowan, Hamilton and Barclay, suggest (whatever one thinks of these players and their form) that England are not alone in attracting some criticism.

At least England have 31 players that are already qualified to play for them.

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By: Jacobhttps://therugbyblog.com/does-shirt-ownership-still-matter-to-england#comment-379369 Wed, 02 Sep 2015 09:36:09 +0000 https://therugbyblog.com/?p=38826#comment-379369 I’m not really sure it is all that confusing. When Lancaster has spoken previously of owning the shirt, it has all been off the back of impressive performances. Youngs and Ford, in the examples you used, had previously played extremely well for England and therefore do “own” the shirt.

Nothing from Burrell was ever beyond adequate for an international centre, and therefore I don’t think he could ever have been classed as owning the shirt.

He’s a good player, but incomparable to the way others have owned other shirts around the pitch.

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