Comments on: Lions 2017: NZ Provincial Barbarians v Lions prediction

By: Harlequin

Harlequin — Sat, 03 Jun 2017 09:42:51 +0000

Not happy with the reaction after the game by Warburton and the pundits.That was desperately poor and an unacceptable performance-pity the reaction was let’s move on.I am not sure we are capable of great improvement and we are likely to be outclassed by the provinces and go into the tests feeling inferior

By: Septimusfiltrum

Septimusfiltrum — Sat, 03 Jun 2017 09:28:04 +0000

Pretty good huh? Lions by 6-7 points

Oh dear.

Altogether terribly disappointing and worrying (how can it not be?). Jet lag? complacency? No phase play, turnstile tackling and extremely poor individual skills.

Roll on Wednesday

By: Septimusfiltrum

Septimusfiltrum — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 21:01:00 +0000

Don – I share your sentiments and your valid point about Reiko et al supports my point about these players not yet being ‘good enough’.
At what point does the lions doing the unexpected become expected? Everyone knew what England’s RWC winning team were going to do and they couldn’t stop it (fair enough it had exceptional individuals and “Orcs” in the pack – who said that?) and it’s no surprise that England’s ‘relative’ demise in the 10 years prior to EJ correlated with their pack losing its fearsome edge and domination. The All Blacks have/had an outstanding pack no doubt but they evolved the roles and traits of a pack which were years ahead of the rest and no other nation were at enough to stop them. One issue with this tour is that, with the exception of the first game, the team/personnel don’t have any ‘gimmes’ to play themselves in – depending on opposition personnel each game could be akin to a test match in terms of intensity.

By: Don P

Don P — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 14:53:16 +0000

Uite Different was another typo!

By: uite different

uite different — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 14:52:06 +0000

Saw yr fears confirmed on the prev Lions SA tour in 09 in a TV doc last night. If it hadn’t been for a swathe of injuries & some dumb errors like O’Gara’s hitting the Saffa in the air @ Monge’s spilling the pill over the line, it could have been quite different. That & the refs of course, no favours there either. Ask Vickery. However, as for using this match ‘as an advert for how hard they can tackle the best from NH’, seems a bit biased. All teams play & tackle hard, don’t they? And playing NZ teams is pretty hard anyway from what I can glean from opponents. It’s part of the way Kiwis play the game.

By: Don P

Don P — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 14:39:43 +0000

Sep. We’ll see about yr score, but the game is a simple one. When you’ve got the pill, you’ve gotta score points, when you haven’t, you’ve gotta stop the opposition from doing so. This game is a mild 1st course, but the Lions can use it to lay down a mark of intent down. If they just ‘play to their strengths’, i.e. the set piece, they surely risk limiting themselves. Do you think NZ won 2 WC’s by NOT having a strong enough set piece? The Lions need to expand their game & also do the unexpected, otherwise they’ll be predictable & likely play into the AB’s hands. And BTW, yr point about ‘if you’re good enough you’re old enough’, also applies to the AB’s. You might just see guys like Jordie Barrett, Akira & Reiko Ioane or Damian McKenzie chucked into their mix as well.

By: Mark Todd

Mark Todd — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 14:32:05 +0000

I’d be very worried for the Lions if we only win by 25. These are stone cold amateurs. Hiding to nothing here. Seriously it should be 50+. The gap between these guys and Super Rugby is immense. The Super Rugby games will be very hard fought.

By: Septimusfiltrum

Septimusfiltrum — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 11:56:03 +0000

Yep – 60+; only the terrible (apparently) Whangarei weather will stop it. There’s a reason these players are ‘fringe’ in a competition where if you’re good enough you’re old enough – I don’t mean to sound so disparaging to the opposition who of will be decent and have a couple of future stars. My main hope is that the lions play to their strengths and build the game on a powerful set piece (milking it for all it’s worth) and don’t suddenly try to become a Super Rugby team

By: Henno

Henno — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 08:22:31 +0000

My biggest fear is injuries. the Baabaas team are all players on fringes of super rugby looking to make a name for themselves. I can see them using this as an advert for how hard they can tackle the best from NH. If we come through with 23 fit players I’ll be happy!

By: Pablito

Pablito — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 22:17:46 +0000

Thanks for that.

However, it was a decidedly better BaaBaas team vs the Maoris than the one the Lions will face.

Also, I know they are both scratch sides, but even so, defense was pretty porous from both teams. I can’t imagine the Lions will make it quite so easy for the BaaBaa’s attack. And for that matter nor will the Maori make it so easy for the Lions attack!

A pretty amazing offload in there though

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By: Joe

Joe — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 19:07:30 +0000

Scrappy game indeed, but I can’t wait nonetheless! Lions by 10-15. It won’t be easy.

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