Comments on: Rate the match: Bath vs Saracens, Aviva Premiership Final http://www.therugbyblog.com/rate-the-match-bath-vs-saracens-aviva-premiership-final Rugby Union opinion and discussion, for the fans, by the fans. Sun, 17 Apr 2016 06:11:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.1 By: JKhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/rate-the-match-bath-vs-saracens-aviva-premiership-final#comment-378129 Tue, 02 Jun 2015 19:27:01 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=37877#comment-378129 Itoje must offer a pretty decent lineout option though, as well as a fair bit more than Wood has recently. So many possible inclusions who could in theory cover blindside – Haskell, Robshaw, Burgess, Parling, Vunipola, Itoje, Launchbury, Lawes, all of whom cover another position…I think Lancaster rates Wood too highly to drop him, but there’s an argument for it.

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By: Don Phttp://www.therugbyblog.com/rate-the-match-bath-vs-saracens-aviva-premiership-final#comment-378125 Tue, 02 Jun 2015 16:31:15 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=37877#comment-378125 David I think you miss some points a bit. Bath didn’t flood the breakdown to either deny Sarries or gain themselves more, QUICK ball. Gave the Sarries defence TIME to assemble. And it took a few yrs for Saracens to win… @ last… & their game still hasn’t worked in Euro.

Regds the ABs kicking MORE(?) than other teams is also to partially miss the point. Don’t they also score more TRIES than other teams (ask Julian Savea)? Are you saying that they get lots of lucky bounces, or do they kick only with intent… to retrieve the ball & then attack through their backs… & or forwards (front, 2nd rows included)? They look to score whether it’s from their own 22, if it’s likely on, up to the opposition’s. To simply compare kicking stats only, is surely miss leading?

Barnes got it wrong twice. Deliberate shoulder charge & a head high tackle being condoned? Intent, or severity doesn’t come into it. If these incidents had happened against Wales, perpetrated by England, what would yr reaction have likely have been then? ‘…contentious points for us fans to talk about after’, Maybe?

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By: twelvestockshttp://www.therugbyblog.com/rate-the-match-bath-vs-saracens-aviva-premiership-final#comment-378122 Tue, 02 Jun 2015 16:08:13 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=37877#comment-378122 oops that was meant to be a reply to a Farrell detractor and has ended up at the end, so now makes no sense :-\

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By: twelvestockshttp://www.therugbyblog.com/rate-the-match-bath-vs-saracens-aviva-premiership-final#comment-378121 Tue, 02 Jun 2015 16:06:57 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=37877#comment-378121 We need more than one 10 coming into the World Cup. Cipriani is likely now out and I don’t see any of the skills you mention in Steven Myler. Personally I think it’s excellent to see our second choice fly half putting in such a fantastic display in a winning game and with a very strong end to the season. Coming into the warm up games he will be full of confidence and in his best form. I really can’t understand why this can be seen as a bad thing.

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By: Don Phttp://www.therugbyblog.com/rate-the-match-bath-vs-saracens-aviva-premiership-final#comment-378120 Tue, 02 Jun 2015 16:02:47 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=37877#comment-378120 Like Dylan Hartley’s head butt wasn’t that bad either.

It was an illegal ‘tackle’, Watson went off. Farrell didn’t, courtesy of the impeccable Barnes.

Farrell has some petulant history. Or would you rather wait until someone gets a broken jaw?

Ford was in a losing team which substantially changed nothing, Farrell was behind a dominant pack, although Ford kicked aimlessly deep x3 (?) in a row, when they needed POINTS… & missed touch, again! ‘Budding genius’? Not yet.

Banahan’s missed, almost sideways, kick, also to touch, resulted in a Saracens’ try. Fairly pivotal. Bit worrying if he can’t play basic rugby like that, although he looked & was good v Leicester.

Easier when winning. Cracks aren’t so exposed… or are forgotten.

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By: Don Phttp://www.therugbyblog.com/rate-the-match-bath-vs-saracens-aviva-premiership-final#comment-378118 Tue, 02 Jun 2015 15:44:01 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=37877#comment-378118 So why hasn’t it worked over the last 3 or 4? Read my response to John Dab.

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By: Don Phttp://www.therugbyblog.com/rate-the-match-bath-vs-saracens-aviva-premiership-final#comment-378117 Tue, 02 Jun 2015 15:39:50 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=37877#comment-378117 John Dab Get a TV & watch a S15 game or 2.

When teams have dominant forwards, they tend to get more ball & deny the opposition ball. Besides this was club rugby, not an Int’al game.

Bath lacked the nous to change what wasn’t working, i.e., being beaten @ the breakdown. Also @ most scrums. Less could be done with the latter as they weren’t strong enough, although quicker feeds & hooking might have helped.

After 10 minutes or so Bath ought to have gambled everything on flooding the ruck (the game was almost up, so little to lose), thus denying Saracens so much ball. Also Bath’d have surely then won more of their own ball (it would needed to have been quick as well) & thus caught the Saracens’ ‘D’ more out of position, creating miss-matches out wide. Didn’t happen… & so they lost. Maybe if Joe Schmidt had been @ Bath…?

Saracens also got a couple of breaks (like, almost, Watson’s jaw) & the ball bounced their way a couple of times early on. Them’s the breaks. On the other hand they’d have been unlucky to have lost

It’s the route 1 set piece, endless, predictable driving & kicking like clock work that is negative.
It worked this yr, but not over the past 3/4. And it didn’t work in the Euro Cup. When held up front, where’s their guile? Plan ‘B’?

They’ve also have/had oodles of Saffas & Int’als in their team/s. Had to tell @ some point.

As for the MotM Farrell, he’s also PREDICTABLE… & everyone sings when their forwards are on top. Where were the wrap arounds, his side stepping line breaks, his pace off the mark, his standing on the gain line etc? A goal kicker, line kicker & a tackler. If that’s what you need… for a looming WC?

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By: Mikehttp://www.therugbyblog.com/rate-the-match-bath-vs-saracens-aviva-premiership-final#comment-378064 Mon, 01 Jun 2015 17:25:50 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=37877#comment-378064 I agree that Sarries defence was hugely impressive and a huge contributor to the errors that resulted in the tries. Likewise, Bath’s poor tactical decision making and trying to throw passes that were not on in dangerous areas contributed to the tries. I by no means want to take away from Sarries, but I would agree with Ford that Bath “gave” Sarries 14 points. Even with the pressure it required handling errors to turn the ball over.

I agree with what seems to be the general assessment, that Bath failed to “earn” the right to play expansively. Not sure it hase to be physically earned (it was not against Leicester) but it does have to be on. If the defence is organised and up quickly they are better either kicking or playing it through the forwards. when they did this they ended up scoring a try.

Sarries were deserved winners, but I think Bath will be really disappointed that they let the game get away from them in the first 30mins.

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By: Davidhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/rate-the-match-bath-vs-saracens-aviva-premiership-final#comment-378062 Mon, 01 Jun 2015 15:04:40 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=37877#comment-378062 Two articles in the Telegraph today talk about earning the right to play and that Bath didn’t do that – that’s a picture of experience and the total (naive) self-belief that playing from anywhere all the time will win you the game. The All Blacks kick more than any other team and focus on playing in the right areas of the pitch both of which Saracens do too.

Bath are a good team and have played really well during the season but, as Saracens found out last year, playing in a final is very different. Bath will learn from this and, if they continue in the same vein, will be strong contenders for next year’s final.

With regard to foul play, I felt that Wayne Barnes got it right both times and neither Farrel’s nor Webber’s incidents were anything other than penalties.

What would a final be without some contentious points for us fans to talk about after:).

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By: Dazzahttp://www.therugbyblog.com/rate-the-match-bath-vs-saracens-aviva-premiership-final#comment-378053 Mon, 01 Jun 2015 12:42:42 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=37877#comment-378053 Wood is actually a pretty good line out jumper, and is vastly more experienced. As an extra ball carrier I would rather see Itoje or Burgess in there. Itoje can cover second row, and Burgess can cover centre. Both offer more around the park than Wood for me, but I suspect neither Burgess or Itoje will make the final 31.
I expect to see Wood and Haskell as the 6 cover. Don’t forget both Lawes and Launchbury are very capable at 6.

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By: Leonhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/rate-the-match-bath-vs-saracens-aviva-premiership-final#comment-378050 Mon, 01 Jun 2015 11:17:39 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=37877#comment-378050 The citing commission will let you off with a warning this time :-)

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By: JKhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/rate-the-match-bath-vs-saracens-aviva-premiership-final#comment-378049 Mon, 01 Jun 2015 11:10:40 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=37877#comment-378049 Hmm. I’m leaning more and more towards Itoje starting at 6 and not taking Wood at all. Can’t see it happening.

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