The whole pro-England media circus that led up to the ko of the cup itself, the tv adverts with O2, Jonny Jesus and Hewitt’s bastard, Lancaster’s coaching book and all that John Inverdale et al went on and on about for the 1st 17 days of the tournament and now it is all sackcloth and ashes all round.

You may well get a really nasty 6n 2016 coz it has all gone horribly horribly wrong and you are away for three games v France, Scotland and Italy. Oh and you have Wales at Twickenham….again.

50+ million people to choose from, over a dozen fully professional teams and it all screwed up in just over a fortnight from tournament ko v Fiji (despite 4 tries for a bonus point in that game!)

Make sure you get your England Rugby World F+ck Up 2015 memorabilia……… 10 items for 50p from the England Rugby Store website.

Free postage for all orders over £50 to anywhere in the World it boasts

For £50 you can now buy their entire stock of adult-sized England replica shirts, both home and change strips. Ideal for lining the wheelie bin or as rags for washing the car with.

I cannot wait to see one of your countrymen wearing a red rose rugby shirt coz it will make my day and I shall ruin his!

Not as wasted as England’s ever so expensive 4 yr plan to win RWC 2015 in front of 80,000 adoring fans at what Peter West used to arrogantly call ‘HQ’.

RWC 2015 clearly Carlsberg do rugby tournaments for Welsh rugby fans.

From 10 points down at several stages in the game to downing the hosts who had beaten Wales home and away in the 2 previous 6n meetings.

And then the award for crowning turd decision of the evening goes to Captain Cockup going for the corner coz ‘our pack will rumble Wales over from here’

Like f++k they will!!!

Which bit was wasted and by whom?????

The self-proclaimed champions whose coach arrogantly released a book on his methods in Aug 2015 b 4 a ball was even passed.

Utter English sneering as usual……look at us…….we’ve won the cup already don’t you know.

How we laughed at the scheduling of the final pointless England Pool Game, scheduled as a celebration of either Wales or Aus going out earlier that day and set-up as a curtain raiser for a home Qtr final against Scotland, followed by a semi v Ireland.

Well it didn’t quite turnout like that did it eh?

How the English are now bleating about the draw for the pools being based om IRB Rankings as per Dec 2012.

If we’d gone out and used that excuse we’d be accused on whinging but that is what all England fans are doing now. Ditto the Aussies if they used your current excuses.

We’ll NEVER let you forget this ‘Home’ English 2015 tournament ……ever….it was a total utter embarrassment for everyone your side of the bridge.

Just cannot wait for the back-stabbing amongst all the English players, coaches, admin staff that has not even properly begun!

England 2015 RWC souvenir jerseys 50% off from the England Rugby store the day after they lost to the Aussies by what was it…20 points and 3 tries to 1.

In the New Year they’ll all be going at a What! shop or Poundland near you.

Buy one get 3 free.

Care to refute on a factual basis anything from the above?

Thought not, keep feeling sorry for yourselves guys…its going to get a lot worse before it gets any better!

One was famous for being a Dam Buster.

The other is infamous for being a Sam Buster.

And strangely Lancasters were involved in both!

However, I do disagree on Wood. I thought he was actually very good in the WC. That being said, the likes of Ewers/Itoje certainly need a chance, and if Robshaw is an option at 6 then he may feel even further down the pecking order.

I wouldn’t throw Wood out; but I’d have him on the fringes whilst others are given a shot and would be perfectly happy to see him come back in at a later date if some of them don’t cut it.

that matters. I think Dazza makes a relevant point reI’m replying to few posts here. I don’t Abs are concerned with age – it’s ability Hartley’s reliability. He’d still be in my squad over Youngs though and LCD, because of their set piece issues, but I’d certainly be having a look at George and the Saints back up hooker, to see if they are better all-round options.

“Wood and Robshaw are good, if not very good, international flankers”
Robshaw maybe by Woods no. Again this isn’t an age thing, but I think most of us agree we need a better balance to the BR, so need to give the likes of Kvesic and Fraser a run at 7. That means Robshaw and Wood are competing for the 6 shirt against the likes of Ewers, Clifford, Burgess *ahem*, Itoje etc. Wood for me has been trading on past glories for a while and wouldn’t be anywhere near the squad, and does Robshaw have the pace for modern test rugby? Robshaw is a possibility, but is playing catch up IMO.

Elsewhere we have the likes of Simpson, Daly, Slade, Pennell really putting their hand up. I think most of us will agree that scrum half and centre positions are up for grabs, but Mike Brown has hardly had a stellar start to the season, and whilst I am not advocating a return to the chop and change mentality of yesteryear, I would like to consign “credit in the bank” to the sewer and select players who are consistently on form for their clubs.

Of course they don’t. What they do is identify the talent and bring it though slowly so they gain experience without being thrown head-first into a sink or swim environment.

Cane, Barrett, Fekitoa, Cruden, Coles, Retallick, Kerr-Barlow, SBW, Smith and so on and so on

None have just been thrown in. The team wasn’t just jettisoned en masse after previous World Cup failures. Their replacements were decided on and then developed through bench spots and lesser games, all the while learning from the men with the experience.

There are certainly players who should not have been in the side in the first place and who should not be picked again, but this idea of throwing everyone out and starting again will lead to worse failures.

Although nota Torygraph reader myself this was posted to me. Will Greenwood, whose opinion I rate very highly, has got it spot on about Saracens.

I think that the pressure will force them abroad. Whether he will get it right or not is a different matter.

I saw a Brendan Gallagher tweet which brought it home: Next England Coach to be appointed by a CEO with no rugby knowledge. CEO will be his line manager. Same CEO that gave SL a 6 year contract last year.

Doesn’t bode well does it…